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		<title>Comment on Forms of leadership by Hugh</title>
		<link>http://pavlos.geekhost.org/2010/02/24/sources-of-leadership/#comment-308</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very interesting read. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting read. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Greek debt crisis update by Greek debt crisis update &#187; Greece on WEB</title>
		<link>http://pavlos.geekhost.org/2011/06/28/greek-debt-crisis-update/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greek debt crisis update &#187; Greece on WEB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Greek debt crisis update by Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://pavlos.geekhost.org/2011/06/28/greek-debt-crisis-update/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malcolm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 06:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this. It&#039;s an interesting and useful summary, which the press seem to have been incapable of producing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this. It&#8217;s an interesting and useful summary, which the press seem to have been incapable of producing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is a manager? by Pavlos</title>
		<link>http://pavlos.geekhost.org/2010/07/08/what-is-a-manager/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pavlos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting angle. I guess I wrote this to complain about individual managers in a traditional decision-making role who take the comfortable dead-end decision or take the hard but necessary decision too late, because they are cowardly, short-sighted, or comfort-seeking.

Instinctively I would have thought that an individual would take the hard decision faster than a group, but you make a good point that this need not be these case. Managers may suffer from &quot;group think&quot; or other reality-impairing diseases more then the whole team, so a democratic system with a good facilitator may indeed take the healthy and painful action faster.

I learned recently that in economic study the purpose of the firm is primarily seen as a device to reduce risk, especially the risk posed by individual failings of all kinds. I agree that the trend is to democratize decisions in firms for this kind of reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting angle. I guess I wrote this to complain about individual managers in a traditional decision-making role who take the comfortable dead-end decision or take the hard but necessary decision too late, because they are cowardly, short-sighted, or comfort-seeking.</p>
<p>Instinctively I would have thought that an individual would take the hard decision faster than a group, but you make a good point that this need not be these case. Managers may suffer from &#8220;group think&#8221; or other reality-impairing diseases more then the whole team, so a democratic system with a good facilitator may indeed take the healthy and painful action faster.</p>
<p>I learned recently that in economic study the purpose of the firm is primarily seen as a device to reduce risk, especially the risk posed by individual failings of all kinds. I agree that the trend is to democratize decisions in firms for this kind of reason.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is a manager? by IrisWaters</title>
		<link>http://pavlos.geekhost.org/2010/07/08/what-is-a-manager/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IrisWaters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm.  There really needs to be a terminology divide between a manager and an executive.  A manager is a personal assistant with punitive authority.  An executive is a person who makes important decisions.  These are distinct and separate roles that require notably differing skillsets, but are all too often conflated, primarily due to being based on old class-based organizing of firms.  The working class and the managing class are inherently distinct and separate in such a system.

Honestly, most middle managerial positions require very little executive decision making.  Often they could be best replaced by a mixture of facilitators(rather than leaders) and a more diffuse/democratic punitive structure.  

In fact, one could argue the same for much of the executive work at the higher echelons, with firms becoming more horizontally structured, and functioning in parallel.  Thus dispersing the &#039;control&#039; style property, and the benefits(and challenges/risks) of it amongst more workers.  

Still, visionaries, idea people who have been shown to be skilled at seeing around the next corner, certainly have a value to firms.  And compelling ability to inspire, to motivate, to formalize and put into words the aims and directions of a company, these are of value.  And even, oft times, a final arbiter is needed, a final word on matters of import.

But these need not all fall to the same singular individual, nor do any of them require autocratic control, nor the risks and pressures that come with, nor the ego-gratification and casual abuse of power that are natural and unavoidable consequences of pyramidal power structures(much of which is so casual, and so natural, so as not even to be culturally visible as abuse).

This piece seems to argue in favor of more centralizing of power, authority, and of course risk.  From a humanistic perspective, it is of value to decentralize authority and power, not re-centralize it.  Plus, new systems arising in agile young businesses are starting to show that although some leadership roles remain essential(especially due to the short time-cycles involved in small business), decentralizing much of the decision making can be of great value.

Most managers do not get into management due to being brilliant decision makers though.  The skill they are most often best at is facilitating teamwork and productivity, and they should be allowed to perform the task to which they are best suited.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  There really needs to be a terminology divide between a manager and an executive.  A manager is a personal assistant with punitive authority.  An executive is a person who makes important decisions.  These are distinct and separate roles that require notably differing skillsets, but are all too often conflated, primarily due to being based on old class-based organizing of firms.  The working class and the managing class are inherently distinct and separate in such a system.</p>
<p>Honestly, most middle managerial positions require very little executive decision making.  Often they could be best replaced by a mixture of facilitators(rather than leaders) and a more diffuse/democratic punitive structure.  </p>
<p>In fact, one could argue the same for much of the executive work at the higher echelons, with firms becoming more horizontally structured, and functioning in parallel.  Thus dispersing the &#8216;control&#8217; style property, and the benefits(and challenges/risks) of it amongst more workers.  </p>
<p>Still, visionaries, idea people who have been shown to be skilled at seeing around the next corner, certainly have a value to firms.  And compelling ability to inspire, to motivate, to formalize and put into words the aims and directions of a company, these are of value.  And even, oft times, a final arbiter is needed, a final word on matters of import.</p>
<p>But these need not all fall to the same singular individual, nor do any of them require autocratic control, nor the risks and pressures that come with, nor the ego-gratification and casual abuse of power that are natural and unavoidable consequences of pyramidal power structures(much of which is so casual, and so natural, so as not even to be culturally visible as abuse).</p>
<p>This piece seems to argue in favor of more centralizing of power, authority, and of course risk.  From a humanistic perspective, it is of value to decentralize authority and power, not re-centralize it.  Plus, new systems arising in agile young businesses are starting to show that although some leadership roles remain essential(especially due to the short time-cycles involved in small business), decentralizing much of the decision making can be of great value.</p>
<p>Most managers do not get into management due to being brilliant decision makers though.  The skill they are most often best at is facilitating teamwork and productivity, and they should be allowed to perform the task to which they are best suited.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A lost sense of property by IrisWaters</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IrisWaters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting.  I cannot see how one would implement this though.  Well worth adding to discussions that elevate all forms of property and all contractual agreements to the level of &#039;natural rights&#039;.  It&#039;s easy to make logical arguments that once one accepts &#039;property&#039; as a right, and the ability to make agreements, that this 3rd, exploitative form naturally arises.  

Yet that which naturally has arisen from a circumstance is not, by necessity, demanded by that circumstance.  Much as from the basic human condition arises violence and extortion, yet we do not elevate these to holy and protected rights.

Yet constructing the argument, so as to disconnect property from the means to exploit...  this is tricky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  I cannot see how one would implement this though.  Well worth adding to discussions that elevate all forms of property and all contractual agreements to the level of &#8216;natural rights&#8217;.  It&#8217;s easy to make logical arguments that once one accepts &#8216;property&#8217; as a right, and the ability to make agreements, that this 3rd, exploitative form naturally arises.  </p>
<p>Yet that which naturally has arisen from a circumstance is not, by necessity, demanded by that circumstance.  Much as from the basic human condition arises violence and extortion, yet we do not elevate these to holy and protected rights.</p>
<p>Yet constructing the argument, so as to disconnect property from the means to exploit&#8230;  this is tricky.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Racism is about human rights and feminism isn&#8217;t by IrisWaters</title>
		<link>http://pavlos.geekhost.org/2010/12/02/racism-is-about-human-rights-and-feminism-isnt/#comment-232</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is...  an interesting way of looking at this.  I like it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is&#8230;  an interesting way of looking at this.  I like it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Greek financial crisis by Laurence</title>
		<link>http://pavlos.geekhost.org/2010/04/21/the-greek-financial-crisis/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 00:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Pavlos, an excellent article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pavlos, an excellent article.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Myth by ppapageorgiou</title>
		<link>http://pavlos.geekhost.org/2010/04/30/on-myth/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ppapageorgiou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 01:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Myth by Cel</title>
		<link>http://pavlos.geekhost.org/2010/04/30/on-myth/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 13:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed reading this! It&#039;s fascinating to juxtapose the noosphere against the world of technology, and of course at the interfaces and interstices is where the fascinating things happen...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed reading this! It&#8217;s fascinating to juxtapose the noosphere against the world of technology, and of course at the interfaces and interstices is where the fascinating things happen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Myth by ppapageorgiou</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 00:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful to hear, thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful to hear, thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Myth by Anthony Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Bailey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Through its being a fine example after a lengthy outage, this essay served to remind me how much I enjoy reading your considered writings. Thankyou.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Through its being a fine example after a lengthy outage, this essay served to remind me how much I enjoy reading your considered writings. Thankyou.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Achievement focused and risk focused types by kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great article... well, I think I come in the category of risk focused...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great article&#8230; well, I think I come in the category of risk focused&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twelve myths of capitalism by ppapageorgiou</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you. It seems to be a site promoting the Austrian School of Economics also known (although I realize they are not the same) as neo-liberal or laissez-faire.

Some arguments of this line of thinking have merit in my opinion, especially when they suggest market discipline for failed players in capitalism, and instead government applies &quot;socialism for the rich&quot;, as in the recent bailout.

I also agree that an unfettered market is the most productive way to organize economic relations between players of equal power. By that I mean parties who are similarly compelled to trade, not necessarily parties of similar size or wealth.

But there I think the laissez-faire approach fails. In most situations parties are not equally compelled to trade, and then an unfettered market ensures that the party who is most compelled (because they are least able to cover their basic needs if they don&#039;t trade) trades at a disadvantage. A positive feedback loop results that amplifies inequality.

This is an instance of Myth 5: Free trade is fair trade. It is if both parties trade to feed their children, or if they both trade to make shareholders happier. If one party needs to feed their children and the other trades to make shareholders happier, in the absence of any protectionist factors, the parent is screwed by the business.

Fair trade under these conditions is survival of the fittest, except that physical violence is taken off the table (or, more accurately, waiting around the edges of the table and handled by professionals) so that on the table the rule is economic violence. This ideology is desirable only for people who are economically strong and who like prevailing over others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. It seems to be a site promoting the Austrian School of Economics also known (although I realize they are not the same) as neo-liberal or laissez-faire.</p>
<p>Some arguments of this line of thinking have merit in my opinion, especially when they suggest market discipline for failed players in capitalism, and instead government applies &#8220;socialism for the rich&#8221;, as in the recent bailout.</p>
<p>I also agree that an unfettered market is the most productive way to organize economic relations between players of equal power. By that I mean parties who are similarly compelled to trade, not necessarily parties of similar size or wealth.</p>
<p>But there I think the laissez-faire approach fails. In most situations parties are not equally compelled to trade, and then an unfettered market ensures that the party who is most compelled (because they are least able to cover their basic needs if they don&#8217;t trade) trades at a disadvantage. A positive feedback loop results that amplifies inequality.</p>
<p>This is an instance of Myth 5: Free trade is fair trade. It is if both parties trade to feed their children, or if they both trade to make shareholders happier. If one party needs to feed their children and the other trades to make shareholders happier, in the absence of any protectionist factors, the parent is screwed by the business.</p>
<p>Fair trade under these conditions is survival of the fittest, except that physical violence is taken off the table (or, more accurately, waiting around the edges of the table and handled by professionals) so that on the table the rule is economic violence. This ideology is desirable only for people who are economically strong and who like prevailing over others.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twelve myths of capitalism by Econ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Econ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might want to read this: http://mises.org/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to read this: <a href="http://mises.org/" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/</a></p>
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